A First Hand Account of Alex's Death:

"When the end was near, Alex wanted to die in NY and got his wish. He was flown back from Kalispell on a chartered private jet. He was transported by some sort of ambulance to the 12th St. apartment. He died within hours of arrival.

I visited the apartment that evening. Sharon called me into her bedroom.

She was in her bed with Alex’s corpse beside her. Michael Horn was seated by the bed, next to his dead dad. Alex’s eyes were open, glassy. She was speaking with him, snuggling next to him.
Yet another weird, creepy Sharon scene.

She asked me to help her pick put his clothing for his burial. 
He is buried in the Springs, East Hampton, not far from where Jackson Pollack was buried. (Ed. Note: Shaarey Pardes Accabonac Grove Cemetery, 305 Old Stone Highway, East Hampton, NY). It was profoundly morbid and creepy. The whole scene made the Adams Family look like the Cleavers."


Gurdjieff’s Ark of Ancient Wisdom Sails On…

From an entirely different source, with a very different story:
http://ggurdjieff.com/backstage/

J.G. Bennet | William Nyland | Lord Pentland

After the deaths of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky, students in Washington and New York continue, as best as they can, experimenting with Fourth Way principles. America now enters the post World War II era, characterized by the breaking down of form and the emergence of the Hippie movement. It is a decade ripe for esotericism and spirituality. Gurdjieff’s student William Nyland connects with the young generation of people reacting to the increasingly materialist values of the postwar world.
“The old image of teacher infallibility and the “best of all schools” has worn thin. It does not correspond to the modes of thought in a society where uncertainty and hazard are seen to be the price of existence itself. The school must be seen as a community that has undertaken an almost impossible task of producing a new type of man that will be needed to cope with the predicted world crises for the next hundred years. The image of the Temple of Wisdom must be replaced by that of Noah’s Ark riding the flood. Unless awareness of social needs and the awakening of social conscience are recognized respectively as the beginning and end of the educational process, there is little hope for the future.” – J G Bennett

Alexander Francis Horn

William Nyland’s circle includes Alexander Francis Horn, a teacher of theatre, dramatist, and playwright. Horn learns more about the Fourth Way from J.G. Bennet’s New York groups, from the Gurdjieff Foundation, as well as from Rodney Collin himself, whom he visits in Mexico. Upon Collin’s death, Horn is dissatisfied with the condition in which he finds the Gurdjieff Foundation (now institutionalized without its founder). He recommends that Lord Pentland disband it.
Horn establishes the Theatre of All Possibilities and incorporates Fourth Way principles into his theatrical work. Horn’s methods are severe, forcing his students to work on themselves by subjecting them to pressure and charging them with large demands. His plays In Search for a Solar Hero and Ponderings of a Citizen of the Milky Way sum the ideals of the sixties, ideals which that decade never fully attains. Yet in so doing, Horn translates and transports Gurdjieff’s work to a new generation.
Horn moves his group to San Francisco, where he meets and marries actress Sharon Ganz. The Theatre of All Possibilities is eventually taken over by Sharon, forcing Horn to return to New York. As the ‘flower children’ turn into the increasingly materially prosperous baby-boomers, the spirit of the sixties is extinguished. Alexander Horn’s teaching splits, his wife taking the more active role with the groups, while he continues working with a smaller circle of students until his death in 2011.
“Esotericism inevitably flounders and degenerates in the course of time, giving rise to the need for the esoteric impulse to be constantly revivified and redefined.” – Alexander Francis Horn

Robert Earl Burton

Robert Burton joins the Theatre of All Possibilities in 1967 in San Francisco. He dedicates himself to Alexander Horn’s work, in which he learns the principles of the Fourth Way as expressed by Horn, as well as reads the extensive literature left by Gurdjieff, Ouspensky and Collin.
Burton leaves Horn in 1969, and establishes the Fellowship of Friends in 1970. In 1971, Burton purchases property in the Sierra Foothills and establishes the heart of his school. Outlying centres spring up in Carmel, San Francisco, Los Angles, San Diego, and then throughout the United States. In the 1980’s, he sends his students to open centers abroad, and the Fellowship draws students interested in the Fourth Way internationally.
Burton departs from Horn’s severe methods. He uses, as his foundation, the Fourth Way as expressed by Gurdjieff, Ouspensky and Collin. In the 1990’s his teaching gradually assumes its own hue, as he blends it with earlier expressions of ancient wisdom. His work and organization grow to an international scale and attract more students, as well as criticism, mostly from former members of his organization.
As of 2012, the Fellowship of Friends still resides in the Sierra Foothills, under the direction of Robert Burton.

“The work never belongs to anyone. The same esoteric knowledge belongs to all schools, which, in fact, are the same school.” – Robert Earl Burton

The following is from:  Fellowship of Friends Discussion

33. Golden Veil - October 23, 2012
32. freeman – October 23, 2012
I see the Fellowship of Friends cult in a sort of reverse “The Emperor has New Clothes” syndrome ~ the “students” see all the gold, jewels, and other fine elegant trappings surrounding their “Teacher”… but in reality it’s all a facade ~ there’s nothing really there underneath all the frippery. Yes, he is a fraud, a “Fourth Way” fraud, who has one
particular “student” beginning to weave an “esoteric legend” to elevate his own roots in order to perhaps “take the helm” and guide the floundering “Fellow-Ship” once the elderly “Teacher” is gone…after all, someone’s got to inherit his materialistic bastard legacy. 
According to this “student,” “Gurdjieff’s Ark of Wisdom Sails On.”
But in reality, the Fellowship of Friends is about as far from being “Gurdjieff’s Ark of Wisdom” as a silk purse is from being a sow’s ear. Especially if you think of the Fellowship as a gaudy silk purse with nothing of value inside of it and the sow’s ear as part of a real animal…
34. Shard_of_Oblivion - October 23, 2012
#33 Golden Veil:
Love your analogy! You had me thinking “He’s written it out the wrong way round hasn’t he?”, and then the master stroke – The fellowship is not as high as a sow’s ear – it’s an empty silk purse, priceless!
35. Shard_of_Oblivion - October 23, 2012
#33 “Gurdjieff’s Ark of Wisdom Sails On” – a line by line examination:
The pages and posts on ggurdjieff.com are written by Asaf Braverman.
– never met him, after my time.
The portrait of Gurdjieff shown to the right was painted by Emily Gordon.
– I was at the London Centre when she painted them. She had a wonderful technique and expressed it in the miniature form. 
The biographical outlines shared on this site were researched and written by Hugh James.
– then I have a bone to pick with Hugh James.
Beyond these, Asaf takes responsibility for any points of view expressed in ggurdjieff.com, originating as they do, from his own experience with the Fourth Way and his own study of ancient wisdom.
– Ok Asaf I’ll hold you responsible for any inaccuracies then.
Gurdjieff’s Ark of Ancient Wisdom Sails On…
J.G. Bennet | William Nighland | Lord Pentland
After the deaths of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky, students in Washington and New York continue, as best as they can, experimenting with Fourth Way principles.
-true.
America now enters the post World War II era, characterized by the breaking down of form and the emergence of the Hippie movement. 
-I like the capitalised Hippies, they were the best thing about the sixties for sure.
It is a decade ripe for esotericism. Gurdjieff’s student William Nighland connects with the young generation of people reacting to the increasingly materialist values of the postwar world.
-not heard of Nighland before, will look him up later.
Alexander Francis Horne
-OK, I HAVE heard of Horne!
William Nighland’s circle includes Alexander Francis Horne, a teacher of theatre, dramatist, and playwright. Horne learns more about the Fourth Way from J.G. Bennet’s New York groups,
– I briefly joined Bennet’s son’s group in London in 1977 – Ben Bennet chucked me out for turning up late and stoned one time – and he was right to do so. It did mean that when I met the FoF I was determined not to fuck up and lose the school.
from the Gurdjieff Foundation, as well as from Rodney Collin himself, whom he visits in Mexico.
– I can see this “transmission of the sacred flame” underlying theme is designed by Braverman to appeal to those for whom the line of transmission is important, indeed Gurdjieff and Ouspensky both emphasised the lineage as giving legitimacy to the teachings they followed. 
Upon Collin’s death, Horne is dissatisfied with the condition in which he finds the Gurdjieff Foundation (now institutionalized without its founder). He recommends that Lord Pentland disband it.
-I dare say he did.
Horne establishes the Theatre of All Possibilities and incorporates Fourth Way principles into his theatrical work. Horne’s methods are severe, forcing his students to work on themselves by subjecting them to pressure and charging them with large demands.
– Now Asaf, that is a bit thin isn’t it? The Theater of all possibilities
was extreme, their ex-students have been graphic in their descriptions of life under the control of Horne. I have to suppose you have checked their descriptions out before penning this article, in the spirit of research? http://theaterofallpossibilities.blogspot.co.uk/
His plays In Search for a Solar Hero and Ponderings of a Citizen of the Milky Way sum the ideals of the sixties, ideals which that decade never fully attains. Yet in so doing, Horne translates and transports Gurdjieff’s work to a new generation.
-OK
Horne moves his group to San Francisco, where he meets and marries actress Sharon Ganz.
-I like her in Slaughter House 5, captured by the Tralfamagorians. Glen Gould Bach is on the soundtrack as well.;-)
The Theatre of All Possibilities is eventually taken over by Sharon, forcing Horne to return to New York. As the ‘flower children’ turn into the increasingly materially prosperous baby-boomers, the spirit of the sixties is extinguished.
– what a tired generalisation, a sign of a lazy mind, one that is happy with broad stroke sweeping statements 
Alexander Horne’s teaching splits, his wife taking the more active role with the groups, while he continues working with a smaller circle of students until his death in 2011.
– yep
Robert Earl Burton
:-(
Robert Burton joins the Theatre of All Possibilities in 1967 in San Francisco. He dedicates himself to Alexander Horne’s work, in which he learns the principles of the Fourth Way as expressed by Horne, as well as reads the extensive literature left by Gurdjieff, Ouspensly and Collin.
– OK that is just plain wrong. He has told many people that he hasn’t read Gurdjieff, why would you lie on such a simple point?
Burton leaves Horne in 1969, and establishes the Fellowship of Friends in 1970. In 1971, Burton purchases property in the Sierra Foothills and establishes the heart of his school. Outlying centres spring up in Carmel, San Francisco, Los Angles, San Diego, and then throughout the United States. In the 1980′s, he sends his students to open centers abroad, and the Fellowship draws students interested in the Fourth Way internationally.
-yep all true.
Burton departs from Horne’s severe methods.
– this is subtle. Horne used physical violence, and Braverman probably feels that justifies his statement. But I suspect some of those Burton kept in thrall for his sexual delight would claim his abuse was more insidious, and in the end worse than Horne’s.
He uses, as his foundation, the Fourth Way as expressed by Gurdjieff, Ouspensky and Collin. In the 1990′s his teaching gradually assumes its own hue,
– so I hear – a rather amusing colour as I understand
as he blends it with earlier expressions of ancient wisdom.
-this must be the famous “Rhino poop interpretations”, fabled pinnacles of human oracular achievement 
His work and organization grow to an international scale and attract more students, as well as criticism, mostly from former members of his organization.
-hey he gives the Blog a shout out! Hi Asaf!
As of 2012, the Fellowship of Friends still resides in the Sierra Foothills, under the direction of Robert Burton.
-yep
Gurdjieff’s Legacy in the 21st Century
And so ends the arguable history of the Fourth Way as it manifests in the 20th century. Arguable, I say, because many will claim that it ended with Gurdjieff’s death in 1949, denouncing even Peter Ouspensky from the title of heir to its spirit (let alone giving any credit to the later generations of Nighland, Horne and Burton). History is, inevitably, an inexact science, one subject to the interpretation of the historian.
-God this guy is so wise!
But since those interested in Gurdjieff – who has passed away – may find interest in his influence – which stays on – I have here given its outline as best as I could.
-I think you could have tried harder mate.
I encountered the Fourth Way in 1995, joining Burton’s Fellowship of Friends, and am still a member of that organization.
-Do a Miles, listen to your conscience and leave 
I moved to the California headquarters in 2000 and began working closely with Burton on his teaching. In 2007, I was forced to set out on a two year journey, which brought me in contact with the origin of the ancient wisdom
-brought you in contact with the origin of the ancient wisdom, surely not, surely the origin is in the ancient past, some wacky dudes who painted their caves in the evenings after they had killed their supper.
that I had been previously studying in theory. I traveled to all the major ancient sites of the world, spanning Asia, Europe, the Middle East, Central and South America.
-nice
Those two years of travel were an odyssey – a genuine encounter with the miraculous – which is always bitter-sweet and involves as much payment as it bestows reward.
– poor diddums
The experience was proof, if any were needed,
-I think some proof would be helpful, yes
that the spirit of ancient wisdom is as alive and accessible today as it ever was in previous days. The spark didn’t leave with Gurdjieff’s departure nor had it arrived only when he set foot on the stage. But to tell more than this would require telling a whole story – which I am in the process of writing.
-will it contain nudity, strong language, sex and violence?
If you’d like to follow the progress of my book, join my mailing list through the wooden box on the upper right of this site.
-I’ll just wait till it’s finished I think, thanks all the same.
36. Shard_of_Oblivion - October 23, 2012
Sharon Ganz in Slaughter House 5. Because of the principle structural idea in the film – that Billy Pilgrim has become unstuck in time, I think the 4:32 of the Trailer works very well.
37. Opus111 - October 23, 2012
Alexander Francis Horn (horny perhaps, but not Horne) is said to have died in 2007 (9/30/07). Mr Braverman wrote he died in 2011. May be Horn lived a few more years at the ranch…
40. silentpurr - October 23, 2012
Joseph, 20-21, Sorry for the confusion. I meant to ask you if you’d heard of the phrase “to have drunk the Kool-Ade”.
Kool-Ade was the drink to which the poison was mixed and drunk by loyal followers of the Jones-town cult back in the late 70’s in defense of their leader Jim Jones.
“To drink the Kool-Ade” connotes one’s willingness to sacrifice everything to someone or something seen by history and the rest of the world to be destructively false.
42. Ames Gilbert - October 23, 2012
Opus111 (#131-37 or thereabouts),
you know and I know that Asaf Braverman is an unquestioning, devoted follower of Robert Earl Burton, and has entered the fantasy. Burton discovered that Alex Horn was dead in 2011. Funny how Alex, now supposedly an angel, never get around to communicating his new status to Burton for years and years. Burton, after all, was his prize pupil—according to Burton—and pretty much the whole point of Horn’s life.
Never mind, they found out about his purported death, and purported date thereof, and Burton, predictably, pontificated about it at length, claimed Alex Horn was now an angel (in communication with him at that very moment, natch), thus creating another a big sensation inside the walled garden. More circular proof positive that Burton is ‘conscious’, and that his ‘teacher’ must have been ‘conscious’, so Burton must be ‘conscious’, etc. 
For Asaf, this is ‘verification’: Burton spouts, so Asaf, a future ‘Man Number Five’, takes it all in as objective truth, using the method and standards of appointed ‘Man Number Five’, Girard Haven (I quoted quite a lengthy excerpt that he wrote about verification on p. 73 of his book, “Creating a Soul” here:
http://tinyurl.com/8g484hc
According to Social Security death records:
HORN, ALEXANDER
565-36-0399
Birth: 14 Aug 1929
Death: 30 Sep 2007
Last residence: New York 10011
Death certificate observed (P). Issued in California 
I’m sure ‘C-Influence’ intended Robert Burton, Asaf Braverman, and Girard Haven to look as stupid as they are. After all, “the play is written” . . . 
_______________________
More on Asaf:
Asaf Braverman may have ‘had to set out on a journey’ because he committed bigamy. He married the young Ansley Pierce (on Burton’s instructions) while he was still married to Elisabetta Da Ros (another arranged marriage, for purposes of obtaining a green card—according to the “David Springfield Letter” posted by Black Marker: “It was our diligent monitoring of the blog that put us on notice that Asaf Braverman’s arranged (by Fellowship officers and/or agents) fraudulent marriage to Elisabetta da Ros was being exposed to the world. “)
The way I heard it, Asaf and his new ‘wife’ set out on their honeymoon, which included Israel. The Israeli border exit authorities contacted U.S. authorities about discrepancies in their records, and the U.S. refused him re-entry. His Israeli family is rich and influential, and after a lengthy absence during which they were based in Italy, the happy couple are said to have been able to finally return to the U.S. At least, someone reliable told me that they had seen them fairly recently in Oregon House.
44. thirdlurker - October 23, 2012
Hey As If,
Ya gotta name for that book yet?
Here’s a suggestion:
‘Meetings With Remarkable Flim-Flam Men and the Flims That They Flammed’
(How my dreams became pseudo reality)
an Autobiography
45. NewLife - October 23, 2012
(#131-42 or thereabouts) Ames states:
“Burton discovered that Alex Horn was dead in 2011″
Robert knew of Alex Horn’s death in 2007. At a meeting in October or early November 2007, he related to those at the meeting that Alex had passed away. He did seem surprised that he didn’t know about his death until after 3-4 weeks had passed. 
I think he found out from a student in New York who had seen Alex’s obituary in a NY newspaper. (Not certain of this).
He didn’t say much more at the time other than that Alex was now an angel.
47. Tim Campion - October 24, 2012
NewLife, Ames:
“Ollie” provided an account of the February 10, 2008 meetingin which Robert discussed Alex Horn.
49. Ames Gilbert - October 24, 2012
Newlife and Tim,
you guys are right and I was wrong about the date of Burton’s talk. I had checked Asaf’s site to check what he had written, “Alexander Horne’s teaching splits, his wife taking the more active role with the groups, while he continues working with a smaller circle of students until his death in 2011” and that got stuck in my mind.
Thanks for keeping me straight!
If Ollie was correct (and he has always been reliable in his reports, as I’ve checked with other sources), then it seems that Burton did actually have a good deal to say about the death of Alex Horn. Including not finding out about his ‘teacher’ becoming promoted to angel until well after Horn shuffled off this mortal coil.
50. Tempus Fugit - October 24, 2012
So Alex Horne has gone to dust with apparently no greater notice than any ordinary man. 
Will Burton leave a greater mark?
After more than forty years what is the legacy of the FOF?
No one was enlightened, no one was saved. No great art, no great music, no great books – nothing. 
Instead, lies, greed, suffering, and death – these are the true children of the Fellowship of Friends.
A rotting corpse in a Brioni tuxedo.
51. James Mclemore - October 24, 2012
After reading the link at 47 where Burton is speaking about Horn, I found myself shaking my head and trying to picture the people in the room listening to him and wondering what they could possibly be thinking as their supposed “teacher” wanders all over the place in his mind making almost no sense. Besides the sociopathic and pschopathic tendencies, and the obvious narcissism, I wondered just how wacko is this guy?
Here are some bits and pieces from an article in “The Skeptics Dictionary”…
apophenia
There is currently a controversial debate concerning whether unusual experiences are symptoms of a mental disorder, if mental disorders are a consequence of such experiences, or if people with mental disorders are especially susceptible to or even looking for these experiences. –Dr. Martina Belz-Merk
Apophenia is the spontaneous perception of connections and meaningfulness of unrelated phenomena. The term was coined by K. Conrad in 1958 (Brugger).
Soon after his son committed suicide, Episcopalian Bishop James A. Pike (1913-1969) began seeing meaningful messages in such things as a stopped clock, the angle of an open safety pin, and the angle formed by two postcards lying on the floor. He thought they were conveying the time his son had shot himself (Christopher 1975: 139) 
Brugger’s research indicates that high levels of dopamine affect the propensity to find meaning, patterns, and significance where there is none, and that this propensity is related to a tendency to believe in the paranormal.
In statistics, apophenia is called a Type I error, seeing patterns where none, in fact, exist. 
Those of us who have had the pleasure of spending some time with a person having a psychotic episode have often been asked to see the significance of such random things as automobile license plate numbers, birthdates, and arrangements of fallen twigs.
52. Ames Gilbert - October 24, 2012
Tempus Fugit (#131-50 or thereabouts),
you said, “No one was enlightened, no one was saved. No great art, no great music, no great books – nothing.
Instead, lies, greed, suffering, and death – these are the true children of the Fellowship of Friends.”
Jesus said, according to Matthew, Ch. 7 in these verses:
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits . Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down , and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 
(KJV)
53. Adab - October 24, 2012
Asaf.
As most of the main voices on the blog, like Ames and Tim, haven’t had any contact with Asaf, I’ll throw in what I know.
He’s a genuinely likeable bloke, there’s no doubt about it. The times I’ve met him, I’ve never been impressed by any great depth of understanding. However he was encouraged to treat his enforced exile from the U.S as a kind of esoteric tour along the lines of Ouspensky’s world visits described in ‘A New Model of the Universe’ – and now he’s writing up a book about them. When Burton dies, he will probably take over – he was being groomed as a man #5 when I left in 2006, and he already charged a hefty amount for dinners/events in OH then.
All the Fourth Way stuff is pure guesswork. No-one has any idea who the hell William Nighland is, and Horn was never in a group in the Gurdjieff Foundation, so whatever judgments he made about it were from the outside. So the ‘line of transmission’ such as it is, is from someone unknown to someone who never entered the Fourth Way or ‘found’ it as Asaf describes, to someone who left Horn’s group under ambiguous circumstances only a year after he joined it. Not a ringing endorsement, at least if you believe someone has to learn about something before they start to teach it.
Meanwhile the Jimmy Savile scandal grows in the U.K. 
The latest documentary above. The resemblances to the FoF are quite disturbing. Savile’s practices were institutionally protected, so his victims always felt they had ‘no choice’ when they were approached for sex by Savile. Most of them were described by one contemporary of Savile’s as “under-age sub-normals”, and he sourced his victims from hospitals and mental institutions. They had no voice and no-one cared enough to give them one at the time. The documentary also shows Savile returning home to his house number 22, which is half of 44 – if someone would like to key that…
54. Golden Veil - October 24, 2012
William NYLAND was a student of Gurdjieff. Although he died in 1975, two of the groups he founded gather to this day in open
meetings in San Francisco and New York.
55. Golden Veil - October 24, 2012
Correction: there are numerous groups still operative!
56. Golden Veil - October 24, 2012
More information on the Alex Horn / Robert Earl Burton connection
according to Rick Ross:
57. Ill Never Tell - October 24, 2012
48. Shard_of_Oblivion:
Macaw / Parrot cursing [on YouTube]
My parrot says,
‘What fools these mortals be!’*
* William Shakespeare
A Midsummer-Night’s Dream
Act III. Scene II.
Aerial, my parrot’s name,
is learning to say:
‘The play is written.’*
* You can attribute that as you like.
The play is written!
The play is written!
The play is written!
Õz¤ trayãßñÞ Ÿkhul ƒ¥šoñcøß ;-)
58. Adab - October 24, 2012
54 Golden Veil
Thanks for that correction – any other info on the alleged connect between Nyland and Horn?
59. Shard_of_oblivion - October 24, 2012
So it turns out Braverman’s article is even more riddled with inaccuracies than I first noticed!
1. Misspells Nyland as Nighland
2. Misspells Horn as Horne
3. Mistakes the year of death of Horne [sic]
4. Omits to mention bigamy as the cause of his own exile
5. Fails to note that Burton tried but failed to read Gurdjieff
6. Says “The spirit of the sixties was extinguished” but as we all know the spirit of the sixties will live forever. All together now “If you’re going to San Francisco, be sure to where some flowers in your hair”
This guy badly needs an editor, I dread to think of the half baked mish mash of new age nonsense he will be promulgating in this forthcoming book of his.
61. Shard_of_oblivion - October 24, 2012
#59 supplemental:
I almost forgot, he misspells Bennett as Bennet. All in all reveals an untidy mind, for whom accuracy is unimportant.
68. freeman - October 24, 2012
65. Nevasayneva
There are numerous things written on all of these 131 pages that I wouldn’t have believed back in, say, 1985 or 1990. 
It’s 2012, though, and I’ve learned a lot since then. Mostly I’ve learned to open my eyes. It helps to have people telling their stories — as opposed to the standard operating procedure of NOT telling their stories because they would be kicked out of the cult.
This is just a rhetorical question, but was the story (grabbing someone’s crotch under the dinner table) really all that shocking and unbelievable given everything else that’s been reported?
If it is still shocking to someone, then there are still some layers of denial and indoctrinated thinking that need to be peeled away. I’ve been there — on more than one occasion listening to someone explain the situation to me, and on more than one occasion being in denial about it. There’s no gentle way to press home the truth other than to tell it.
75. WhaleRider - October 25, 2012
“Right now there are angels hovering over the dinner table…”
(The hands are quicker than the I’s.)
82. Shard_of_Oblivion - October 25, 2012
Curiosity about the Gurdjieff lineage after reading Braverman’s bogus account led me to this simple and clear site. Nyland gets a mention, but sadly for Braverman, Horn and Burton are absent.
It does seem to be a constant theme among the various main world religions to get very concerned with lineage. There are enjoyable accounts of how the ZEN tradition was passed not to the obvious second in command but to a butcher, when everyone in the monastery was invited to pen a short poem to express their understanding of ZEN.
The Catholics are very pleased with an unbroken line from St Peter to the current pope.
The cause of huge conflict currently in the middle east between Shi’a and Sunni traditions can be traced back to when Mohammed died and 2 different people reckoned they were the rightful heirs to his ministry.
I think it will be most amusing to watch the factions and power struggles after Burton dies.
Note the contrast between religious authority and scientific authority. It would be absurd for a scientist to say you must accept my theories because I was taught by Einstein, instead he or she has to describe their experiment in sufficient detail that others can reproduce the results for themselves. That’s the way to get real knowledge of the world.
83. jomopinata - October 25, 2012
Interesting collection of lineage quotations here: http://www.esotericfreedom.com/Lineage.html
85. jomopinata - October 25, 2012
BEGIN QUOTE
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness.4th-way
From: henr…@aol.com (HenryK8)
Date: 29 Oct 1994 10:05:04 -0400
Local: Sat, Oct 29 1994 10:05 am
Subject: Re: Cults and Questions
Regarding lineage and a polled Horn:
A friend in the work pointed out to me that although “lineages,” and for that matter, “certificates” and “diplomas,” don’t guarantee ability, they do indicate what someone may have been exposed to in passing. This may provide insight into what the someone has or lacks, what may be present or absent in a teacher.
I knew Horn and was present when Pentland visited TAP on Bleeker St. in New York City on May 1, 1966. I didn’t know all the behind-the-scene details, but I clearly saw that Pentland disapproved of what he saw. Horn seemed a supplicant. Within a few months that group ended and Horn left New York.
As of the moment I type these characters, I believe the Pentland-Horn connection was minimal–so tenuous that no connection in the sense of lineage existed.
Regards,
Henry Korman
henr…@aol.com
END QUOTE
99. Nevermind - October 26, 2012
Clearly what the Fellowship is trying to do here is establish a connected between Gurdjieff and Asaf Braverman through Ouspensky and Rodney Collin:
From Braverman:
Alexander Francis Horne
William Nighland’s circle includes Alexander Francis Horne, a teacher of theatre, dramatist, and playwright. Horne learns more about the Fourth Way from J.G. Bennet’s New York groups, from the Gurdjieff Foundation, as well as from Rodney Collin himself, whom he visits in Mexico. Upon Collin’s death, Horne is dissatisfied with the condition in which he finds the Gurdjieff Foundation (now institutionalized without its founder). He recommends that Lord Pentland disband it.
Horne establishes the Theatre of All Possibilities and incorporates Fourth Way principles into his theatrical work. Horne’s methods are severe, forcing his students to work on themselves by subjecting them to pressure and charging them with large demands. His plays In Search for a Solar Hero and Ponderings of a Citizen of the Milky Way sum the ideals of the sixties, ideals which that decade never fully attains. Yet in so doing, Horne translates and transports Gurdjieff’s work to a new generation.
Horne moves his group to San Francisco, where he meets and marries actress Sharon Ganz. The Theatre of All Possibilities is eventually taken over by Sharon, forcing Horne to return to New York. As the ‘flower children’ turn into the increasingly materially prosperous baby-boomers, the spirit of the sixties is extinguished. Alexander Horne’s teaching splits, his wife taking the more active role with the groups, while he continues working with a smaller circle of students until his death in 2011.
Calculation:
Alexander Francis Horn (14 August 1929 – 30 September 2007)
Was Horn ever in Mexico with Collin?
Horn born 14 Aug 1929
Collin dies in Mexico 3 May 1956
Horn would have been 27 when Collin died.
Horn is spotted in NYC ten years later
New York City on May 1, 1966 Horn is sighted with Pentland.
Horn is 37 at the time. 
Obviously it is not impossible that a 27 year old Horn, ten years before establishing his “school,” somehow heard about an obscure group founded in Mexico in 1948. Somehow he finds out where it is located and travels there to be welcomed by Collin.
Off the internet:
“In 1948 Rodney Collin and his wife Janet moved to Mexico, together with a few followers, where they lived for two years in Tlalpam. His book The Theory of Eternal Life was published anonymously in 1949, at which time he wrote Hellas, a play depicting different stages of Greek civilization. At that time he continued his work on his book Theory of Celestial Influence, published in 1953 in Spanish and in 1954 in English.”
Collin’s book was published in the US in 1954, so he could be discovered by Horn through the book.
Information found on internet:
Alex Horn and protegés David Daniels and Robert Burton
By the time David Daniels obtained a high school diploma at 20 years of age in Chicago (1953) he had been Horn’s frequent companion for four years; Horn and Daniels came across Ouspensky’s “In Search of the Miraculous” (ISM) at this time. After a year at the Art Student’s League NYC, Daniels went back to Chicago. Horn was leading an ‘acting class’ there which included Mike Nichols, Elaine May, Ed Asner, David Daniels and Robert Burton. The group took an “esoteric” trip to Mexico, on account of Horn’s interest in Ouspensky biographer Rodney Collin, who had settled there.
In December 2007, Daniels posted the following about his relationship with Horn:(url posted later)
Collin had also been at Ouspensky’s Farm in Mendham, New Jersey. Daniels claimed to have been given authority at Mendham and The Gurdjieff Foundation, however Foundation head (Lord) John Pentland wrote that while Daniels had had nothing to do with the Foundation, he remembered seeing him and his wife Sally at Mendham sometime during the years 1959 to 1961, after which Daniels was institutionalized in Hillside Hospital Queens NY for year, where he learned about the structure of therapy groups and ’supervision’.
In 1966, Horn introduced Daniels to his NYC group, including Robert Burton, as “someone who knew about Gurdjieff and Ouspensky, and would show and teach them about their work.” According to a member “In the fall of 1966, Horn disappeared for a month; returned confused, contradictory, and incoherent; then, In 1967, under threat from members, Horn disappeared for good, handing over the group to Daniels and moved to London, then Berkeley/Oakland. When Daniels took over, he moved the group from a loft on Bleeker Street to meetings in people’s apartments.” Said a member, “Horn’s NYC meetings focused on Ouspensky’s “In Search of the Miraculous.” He picked ideas from this book and “harangued on subjects.” Horn was cruel and oppressive at times; so was Daniels. Neither gave straight answers. Horn had a number of ‘wives’ and ’screwed around’ with members of his group.” While Daniels continued his role as ‘teacher’, Robert Burton left this scene and by January 1970, he was in California, where he founded the Fellowship of Friends with ISM as a prop.
In 1971, Horn visited Daniels at the Elizabeth Street building in NYC. Shortly, Daniels had shaved his head and was requiring his temperature and pulse to be checked frequently. He later described having been visited by NY police who suggested that members of his group were extremely angry with him and that he might do well to leave town as quickly as possible. He persuaded teenager Sue Liebowitz, to travel with him and immediately left by train with her for Boston, where he quickly gained a following by repeating his Village Voice ad in the Boston Phoenix: “Ideas of Gurdjieff, Shah and their source.”
It looks possible that Horn, Burton’s teacher of 14 months, could have spent time with Rodney Collin.
101. Wouldnt You Like To Know - October 27, 2012
Lineage in the 4th Way is so much mythologisation and there is no way to actually know what took place and when – and whether anyone advanced spiritually, or otherwise, from their involvement. On the personal level, you know what you know, understand what you understand, and experienced what you experienced.
Ultimately:
‘Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.’
Matthew 7:15-20 KJV
102. Shard_of_Oblivion - October 27, 2012
#99 Nevermind posts interesting history of the precursor cults to the FoF. One of the sources is a post by anonymous on this blog 
I note that other posters on that site question some of anonymous’s details, (dates of death from Aids of some teacherettes etc), so it looks like anonymous was relying on his/her memory for the facts of the story. I was surprised that that narrative suggested Burton was with Horn and Daniels in both NYC and possibly also Chicago (it’s a bit ambiguously phrased on that point) in the early sixties, as I had always heard he met Horn around 67/68 in the Bay Area. Also if Horn did organise his trip to Mexico before Collins’s death in 56, surely Burton would have proudly pointed to an unbroken conscious line from G to O to C to H to himself, but I don’t recall that ever being mentioned.
There was a link in anonymous’s post that suggested Daniels had posted info himself on another blog, but though it is interesting reading, I didn’t see anything from Daniels himself. It seems some people found these teacher types to be lovable rogues, others were scarred for life by them.
104. Nevermind - October 27, 2012
What is it that some people want so badly that they feel they need the help of a teacher in order to get it?
For one thing, while young, there is an inherent feeling of psychological insecurity for some people. Some feel empty or they feel that something is missing. 
What is it that is missing?
Many intelligent people sense that the day-to-day personality each develops in order to meet the requirements of life is an inadequate psychological expression for experiencing real meaning in life. Especially since the personality habitually complains, criticizes and judges much of what happens. Many people feel like they are stuck in a near permanent sense of disillusionment and discontentment as embodied in this sense of “myself” as irritated critic of all that takes place. There are also many very good external reasons for feeling dissatisfied with and critical of life. The continuous news reports coming through the electronic devices deliver endless daily details of the insanity, violence and corruption happening in every part of the world. The incoming facts seem to prove that civilized life is very far from ideal and utopian and it seems that an idealistic utopia was the original point of civilization in the first place. Clearly civilization has failed to become a utopia.
Some people are near permanently dissatisfied with life and dissatisfied with themselves, or at least dissatisfied with the self that constantly mutters to itself inside the restless and annoyed mind.
Most people find a coping mechanism in order to deal with the obvious insanity of life. Most find motivation enough in their personal lives that all that seems wrong with the world is far secondary to their own personal interests. Such an arrangement is considered normal.
For some this coping motivation of self-centeredness just does not work and they live in a state of dissatisfaction with themselves and the entire disordered world. Naturally they want to find a place and a state of mind that is reasonably sensible.
This is the first deceptive hook: the people introducing the prospective student to the cult are highly practiced at the role-playing charade of pretending to be self-satisfied, self-contained, pleased with themselves and unperturbedly content. The cult actors are in fact none of these things internally, but they have been trained to pretend to be “untroubled and positive.”
The prospective student observes these self-contained and positive caricatures of human beings and concludes that he needs whatever these people have that has evidently brought them peace.
It is only later that the naiveté wears off and it becomes clear that the cult is a place where seriously disturbed sub-humans scurry around pretending to one another that they are unaffected, happy, self-fulfilled super-humans. Meanwhile the absurd and squalid dramas play out in semi-secret as the real energy of the “psychological improvement” focuses on the frenzied gossip circulating between highly entertained and distracted sullied cretins.
Hook number two: there is reportedly a legendary all-knowing authority figure intelligently directing the overall purpose of the micro-society. He is spoken of in loving and reverent tones. He is quoted and venerated. There is a strange universal impression of unanimous awe toward the enlightened one existing at the heart of the micro-society and it is thoroughly hypnotic.
The initiate has arranged within his mind all the required attributes that indicate the presence of a holy man which he has gathered from years of accumulated bits and pieces circulating in the mythology of the general culture. All of these impressions concerning what it is that a saint entails are spring-loaded in the heart of the desperately dissatisfied seeker ready to be projected on anyone clever enough to feign the kind of external signs of grace-filled indifference that serves as a willing silver screen for the reflection of the student’s expectations.
Hook three: the initiate rejects the ordinary world for the contrived reality of the cult’s group fantasy world. Here is the entire thrust of the so-called “work”: convince yourself that the spiritual fantasies of the cult are real and that what you would normally consider real is in fact false. In other words brainwash yourself, if you want to be accepted as an advanced sage in the pecking order of cult politics.
Hook four: the teacher is a master manipulating malignant narcissist and to him other human beings are mere insects meant to be used and disposed of when finally drained and utterly disillusioned. No one dares believe that it is possible that the central figure of all these eager and dedicated people is an emotional vampire feeding his futile and insatiable sense of importance on the lifeblood of everyone who comes near him. The eternal hook is that the follower is constantly trying to achieve the impossible, he is trying to become of value and consequence to someone that he mistakes as a man of ultimate understanding and fairness.
People plainly, naturally and innocently want out of the oppressive state of mind produced by their own corrupt personality which they have involuntarily developed in a life where there is more or less constant negativity and neurosis. Unfortunately in many cases they end up in the oppressive state of mind produced by the corrupt cult-of-personality circling the psychological drain around a hyper-selfish madman.